I'm now studying to be an athiest.
Why? Logic and reason seem to require it.
after i read coc and left the dubs for a short while i considered myself christian.
the way franz explained it, all that is required is to have faith in jesus and to love your neighbor as yourself and then you will be 'saved'.
the more i started pealing away at the onion though the dumber the premise of someone dying for my 'sins' seemed, and i just lost faith in it altogether.
I'm now studying to be an athiest.
Why? Logic and reason seem to require it.
a few years ago my brother - law admitted that at 14 he had a sexual relationship for 5 years with the wife of an elder in his congo.. he was at 19 dfed for an affair he had with a fellow student.. he never told any one about the affair with the married sister, but now 10 years later, this sister and her unsufferable husband are planning to become assistant co. .
my mother - law, who is still in the"lie" now knows about this affair and has made the statement that she has probable asked for forgiveness in her heart therefore the elders do not need to know of the affair.. my brother - law is going through his own issues and because of the way he has been treated ie.. shunned, basically disowned by most of his family, he wants to expose her and her husband who he believes knew about the affair.. i've recommended that he discuss this with his therapist and that he should think about why he feels the need to expose her now.
by the way this sister is 2 year younger than his mom.
I think that there's a golden rule when you learn of such issues:
Report it to the police and let them decide whether it's child abuse or not.
alright.
it is done.. last night during the announcements a new ministerial servant was appointed along with a new elder.
yippee!!.
Congratulations!
How about a party?!
i remember going to sunday meetings...the public talks went by fast (sometimes).
but the watchtower study to me was so boring and not interesting at all.
it felt longer than the public talk.
I forgot to include another point from the radio.
Apparently, part of the indoctrination process is self-indoctrination. This includes mind-numbing repetions of chants and mantras, such as "Hare, Hare Krishma," etc.
In a WT field service context, perhaps this might include such mantras as, "Would you like to live forever in paradise?" or " Have you ever wondered about the kingdom that Jesus taught us to pray for?" In the course of a single morning, these get repeated over and over again until they're repeated on auto pilot, without thinking.
At meetings it might perhaps be mantras like, for children, "God's name is Jehovah," or "Paradise." For adults, "Wasn't that a wonderful meeting?" or "Brother So-and-So's a marverllous speaker, isn't he?"
However, whatever the mantra, the end result is the same: self-indocrtrination.
i remember going to sunday meetings...the public talks went by fast (sometimes).
but the watchtower study to me was so boring and not interesting at all.
it felt longer than the public talk.
Crumpet,
I think we've probably all gone through that phase.
I'm looking forward to it ending and moving on...
2 years back i did a huge power point presentation about cults & jw's for a sociology of religion class.
i came across some info pertaining to the wt being one of the largest landholders in nyc and also a 5th position in some business status.
for the life of me, i can't find that source now!
DebraDoll,
Is this of any help? It's from Newsday magazine.
Watchtower is down near the bottom of the page:
jehovah's sicko jailed
apr 15 2005.
a jehovah's witness who used his position in the movement to prey on young girls was jailed for four years yesterday.
The newspaper has message boards where you can leave a comment on today's news.
I'm sure many of us here might be able to think of soemthing appropriate to say...!
(Edit to add) After reformatting the url, finally got it to work correctly!
as everyone had guessed, the election has been set for may 5th.
personally, this is my first opportunity 'post wt mind-control' to vote for our next government.
i don't suppose that i will - 40 years of 'neutrality' and non-involvement have rather flattened my desire to take part in political change.. how about you?
My thanks, too, scotsman.
Great site: this is my result...
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i remember going to sunday meetings...the public talks went by fast (sometimes).
but the watchtower study to me was so boring and not interesting at all.
it felt longer than the public talk.
A radio programme recently suggested that cults regularly use long, boring meetings and discussion periods as indoctrination sessions.
Apparently the theory is that it takes a certain period of boring monotony for the brain's critical reasoning faculties to shut down, but once it has, the brain then goes into a kind of trance-like hypnotic state, during which the most ridiculous notions will be accepted as 'truth.'
questions from readers.
did the serpent lose legs or feet as means of movement as a result of the divine curse recorded at genesis 3:14?.
at genesis 3:14 we are told: "and jehovah god proceeded to say to the serpent: ?because you have done this thing, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild beasts of the field.
The files on the CD are in Acrobat format
Looks good! Thanks.